Well Its A Sorry Site.....

[M3NF]

Well i would like to think i am the last person that would ill speak IPS but needless to say i guess there are times when you need to make a stand.

I posted on IPS with this post....

As alot of you are aware we are in the middle of a revamp of our site. We have removed the portal and are due to enter the last stage of making final ajustments on our home server to test the new layout, We this most likely be in effect from monday 3rd feb, when we golive on the main server.

Due to the remove of the portal and forum from the root directory all booked mark links will not work anymore, so please just link to the main domain as http://www.ibfskinned.co.uk this will work as of now onwards, so that you can change your bookmarks now.

One of the main changes is that you will no longer be forced to join the forums to be able to download skins, but you do need to rejester at the forums for support only.

We hope that you will like the changes that we will have done, and consist of a new database system new front page and a full working test site of all skins, so that from the new database you can see the skin in action on a real site, so that you can see all the feature of the skin working without the need to be importing them or looking at a static image on your screen.

Once again for this to work for you, you DO need to link to the domain only.

I have pm charles with reference to this post being here, as no one got back to me to conferm if this is allow.





this post was closed by rikki saying this.....


Rikki Posted: Jan 31 2003, 06:59 PM 
Group: IPS Admin

This forum is not for people to keep us updated on their websites, as per Maddoktor2's post in your topic earlier. This isnt the first time you've used it for that - please refrain from doing so again.



I pm charles about this as i would of honestly thought as we show we are committed to helping IPS that he could allow this post.

My post to him and his reply....

I have posted on the forum with update from our site, but i did not get any reply back saying if this is allowed. I want to check if this is ok, as it does inforum your members that come to us about changes that are happening, as via our stats we do see that alot of members come directly from your site, so i guess that the members base that it pointed to is from yourself.

Can you please let me know if this is ok to post. As i do not want to offend anyone, but i feel it is of use to alot of people in the invision community.

Awaiting your reply.


Although I certainly appreciate your enthusiasm you must understand why we say we cannot allow posts such as that in our forums. We provide the resources page to promote sites that features IPB services. There are many sites like this and if we were to allow all of them to post updates it would be chaos.


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Charles Warner
Invision Power Services, Inc. - President
charles@invisionpower.com - (434) 352-9311


I then recived a pm from steve and from maddoktor saying that i as basicly out of order for that post and that who do we think we are.
To this is a very disapointed at them, i reply that i do not want to be listing on IPS anymore and to remove our name from there site, and also to remove my account from there site.

I them logged onto there irc room to see if i could speak to charles one to one as i hate pm system. only to to have a adult talk with members there, some agree and some disagreed, each to there own, then once again Maddoktor2's banned me from there.

Now i have found out that they have banned most of the team over here. Which i find is very out of order, if they have a problem with myself that is fine, but to ban the team is out totaly unfair specially when they have nothin to do with this.

[halfcut]

I just don't frequent those particular forums, I find them unfriendly to say the least and a perfect example of why a two tier system doesn't work. Sorry to hear that M3nf.

[The_Altered1]

Well, that is quite dissapointing to say the least.

But then again, we are not the *official* skinning site for invision, and therefore the update post could be considered spam.

Maybe should double check with admins over there -first- before posting. At least that way it could negate negative feedback in a public forum.



This seems like a really touchy touchy issue
that should never have made it to the public eye

this is all IMO of course

[halfcut]

the problem there is that true open source developers encourage community contributions and involvement, I personally view this and any other site that deals with invision board an asset.

If I'd had a problem with the same post on ibskins I would of dumped it but I didn't, now I suspect I may just bump it ;) what the heck :D

[Aristia]

Thing is, we have asked about it before and been told it was ok. So what has changed? why suddenly are we not allowed?

Even more is the fact M3NF posted, and was told he'd be gotten back to. but nothing was said. this created alot of confusion. and they handled the situation pooly. Had that admin got back to M3NF, this would never had happened.

Certainly not what we'd expect from a site that is supposed to be treating it's members in a respectful manner.

Agreed, it can easily be considered spam, and that they did. But like i said before. we had been told this was ok a while back. They just can't make up their mind.

Not only this, they have banned members of our team. who have not been involved in this at all. looks like they've looked through our team list and gone and banned them all. That is getting really silly!

[halfcut]

Certainly not what we'd expect from a site that is supposed to be treating it's members in a respectful manner. As I slowly dig my own grave, you've hit the nail on the head so to speak.

[Aristia]

Will you be requiring a stone, or marble headstone? LMAO

[halfcut]

nothing too flash...the marble :D

Seriously I've had a bit of time off from ibskins recently, been busy with more important things, I think if I didn't like the software(and hadn't acquired so much useless knowledge about it) I'd be quite happy to say ok that was fun...next!

and I'm sort of curious about it, I have a couple of theories and hopefully I'll be proved wrong ;))

[M3NF]

Like i say i would like to think i am the last person that felt this way, many reason, knowing matt personally, helping staff on IPS, and helping ips to give them something else, another site that is commintted to makeing skins, answering support questions, all the thing that all the members here do, not just the team.

I love this place for the community ways, and that what means so much to me, i feel that most of the ppl would go as far as they can to help another member, i know i do.

I hope that this is a temp problem that we have with IPS and that Charles will take the time to speak to us and solve this problem directly, and not from other staff, as it is that what has started this, if i got a message back from day one saying no we rather not you post that, then to be honest that would have been the end of it. Thou i would have been upset.

We never forget without IPS we would not be here, but maybe they should look, that without its members and places like this, IPS would also not be as it to.

[tesseract]

This is quite disappointing. I thought it was OK myself, but I guarantee you that Rikki closed your topic because he has his own skinning site and he does not want you to "steal" traffic from his.

I don't think that is fair to you; there is just as much innovation and stuff here as there is at his site, and further you have put as much work into your site as he has his. You are providing a service to members and webmasters, so I don't see why its necessary for them to be so closed-minded with this.

[Aristia]

Well, I put it down to them being young. He is perhaps worried as you say. Especially after so many people posting negative comments about them. Which does make me wonder why he does not make more of an effort on there.

But if that is they way they want to be, then so be it. We have a great community of our own without the need for our presence in their community. Here we have alot more maturity so I'm happy :)

[The_Altered1]

At least the site owners over here are active in the site and the community, and respond well to feedback.

Oh yeah and they also keep the staff and moderators informed; as well as the members and guests as to what is going on with the site.




After all isn't that what a community is about?

But of course this is all my opinion.................or is it? :D

[eden]

Well. think of this man:

-You are *the best* Skin site for IPB
-You are much better than "ibskins"
-Ibskins is owned by IPB
-You faced "non-loyal competition from IPB"

*you are still the best* And WE KNOW IT. Keep the good work, forgot this -------- from the ipb members trying to protect ibskins.com

[Aristia]

:D yay we love you too awwwwww *violins playing softly in the background* IBFskinned loves it's members, and that makes the difference.

We endeavour to make everyone feel welcome, and wanted here. Who wants to be part of a community that doesn't really want it's members?

Thankyou all for showing us your support!

[Markleshark]

:D, well thats good to hear :wub:, ne who, yes we are the best, and even if they cant admit it we do know it and its all up the the members making this place what it is. cheers every1. And of course the love given out by all the team members! :)

Mark

[M3NF]

The Best hmmmm well i guess that is down to each person, but if the member think we are then thats what matter. At the end of the day, we have no committment to run this site, we do it as a way of helping people. Our real life jobs also are the same, so it seams this is what we are good at.

Thou we are new to the IPS side of this, and only been running for just over 3 months, its amazing at the member base we have, let alone the commitment from our skinner than not even more are exclusive to us here. The amount of skins on other site that are now pretty much on here to, so it seams that we have one place that carry's a good 90% of skins avabible in one place now, with loads more that you can not get anywhere else.

This is great for the community, its nice to know that we have helped alot of members that come here, and answer every question thown at us. This is more important that skinning really, thou without the skins no one would come here, but helping solve a problem and getting it working is really good.

[NiteMare-ReTuRn$]

Originally posted by The_Altered1@Feb 2 2003, 12:27 AM
At least the site owners over here are active in the site and the community, and respond well to feedback.

Oh yeah and they also keep the staff and moderators informed; as well as the members and guests as to what is going on with the site.




After all isn't that what a community is about?

But of course this is all my opinion.................or is it? :D
I totally agree with you there.

Ibskins ok they are a board. But thats as far as it goes.
Aristia & M3NF have taken IBFskinned to the next level, this is a community & the community spirit here is very strong.
The whole team here are fantastic & im proud to say I am part of it. Not only do the team have a say in whats happening & what they would like to see on here but the Members do as well.

The atmosphere is fantastic, I have been onto several others boards and really not wanted to ask a question becuase of the feedback you recieve. They make you feel stupid.

I understand in a way that IPB are being protective over thier number 1 skinning site & good for them.

But as it has shown, we know where most of the users of Invision go to get thier skins & support for thier skins & it isnt to ibskins.

Markleshark summed it up well.
Its down to all you members that have made this such a huge community.
Long may it go from strength to strength.

Thankyou all for your support.

[Sprocket]

referring to the poll on wanting to be "official IBFskinned" site i said then it would be a mistake, i didn't think it would come home to roost quiet so quick, you do not need to team up with IPB, your members sya it all, just check membership mumbers.
listen............................can you hear anyone backing what they did to you over there................................no, i didn't think so.
the problem is this site has grown faster than anyone had exspected, and that they don't like, yes i will say it...........you frighten them, and they want to pretect there own "official skinned site" . i know i'm rammbling but thats me, and it's what i think.
Keep your chin up, chest out, tummy in, and don't look back, good work allways pays off......
i think i'll shut up know............... B) B)

[Krip730]

ok... here is my 5 cents on the issue, and if you don't like it.. bad luck.

I personally feel that ibfskinned expects too much from IPB. You are a skinning site, you are not the official skinning site nor are you a partner, so get over it. Who cares if u are official or not, reality is that you scare them, a site that is an asset to their community yet not owned by them. They have no interest with ibfskinned, you do not help them profit. Open Source is a myth at IPB, the product may be "free" but... they are a business... it is plastered everywhere... "Invision Power Services." ibfskinned may be a great community, but it has just as much right to being an official partner as a skinning forum with 2 skins and 5 members does, this may sound negative but it is a reality that you need to accept. I for one, would not frequent here as often if it were an official partner... as all of a sudden there are more and more rules that you have to abide by, things would not be as freely spoken etc. The community here is great... why change it ? And ignore them over at IPB, using their product fair enough, but at the end of the day you didn't start this site to compete did you ? I thought u started it for support a community... if so... let your reputation speak for itself as it already does...

- Krip730

[Aristia]

Great point. And no, we didn't open to compete. We don't want to be official as yes, things would change in the way people see us. We have been expecting too much from IPB, thinking we'd get just as many rights as the regular members there is a bit over the top.

Expecting common courtesy from them, also too much to ask. When told we'd be contacted about the issue, i guess it is also too much to expect that they stick to that and contact us. How blind we have been to even consider they could simply send a pm with "sorry but we've talked it over and decided it's not appropriate"

(not getting bitching at you there krip...i was being sarcy towards them)

I am so glad so many people are happy with our work, and the way we run this place :)

[DcRacing]

Well this is an older topic But I gotta put my 2 £ In.

first, the reason I came Here Is The friendliness Its awesome I have sent many people here becuase of it.
Im fairly new around Here But feel apart of the place by the Warm and Courtous Respect I get.... Even tho I am A NEWB Yea I said it Im aNewb to all of this, I have gone to IBskins in the Past for support and Their RUDE and I will Never Go Back, the same As IBP Boards same thing I had problems with Cookies on my site and They Flat out told me to look for help else where they dont support a board with Hacks.......Problem was It wasnt A Hack problem but a COOKIE problem Im running 3 Boards so I had some issues with cookies Ididnt know Im A NEWB.

I stated in my 3rd or 4th post that there service Sux lol it was deleted right away, I posted also that I thought there chat was a rippoff in the chat threads and it was removed, I then Questioned them as why they removed the thread and was told to go away.... I love the board system as its very Powerfull and Flexable But their People Plain Sux( not all of them do) they Dont know how to be involved in a comminuty thats why there scared of ya.


IBFSKINNED.CO.UK and YAUWS.COM these are my IBF comminities these are the places I go for Help. Why, well thats simple the People are Respectfull EVEN to NeWbies Like me.
(by The way My Name over @ YAUWS is David )
ok if anything is outa line or not allowed remove what ya need
I had to get my 2£ in is all

David

[Planet IBX]

How old is the person who closed the thread ?

How old are the people who banned everyone?

Seems to me they are acting a bit immature, and definitely very unprofessional, all of which reflects on them more than they realize <_<





:good:

[halfcut]

erm I'm a support member on ibskins(we don't get paid!!) I'll say this, you're wrong Dc Racing I'm more than capable of being incredibly rude, in fact if you look at my last 2 posts on ibskins this is proved to be so.

If you look at the 638 and the 158 PM's and countless emails however I don't think so, if you would like to review them they seem ok to me.

As for age well look down a few topics ;)

I see greater immaturity displayed in this thread(myself included) than I have ever seen displayed by the staff on ibskins except for the banning everyone thing which was on invisionboard.com and was a shitty thing to do as I've stated, but ho hum what do I know :blink: and I would also add that my opinions of ibf are well known, but there are five rules when I close a thread.

1. The person has replied and said bloody hell that worked.
2. They've buggered off and not left a response for a while, ungrateful bastards.
3. They're are in the wrong place completely, link 'em or move them.
4. New question New topic, makes it easier for support staff.
5. I was wrong and too embarrased to admit it(not really, although I suspect it happens)

and now I have to take my leave because this all smacks of my toys better than your toy......

[NiteMare-ReTuRn$]

Can we try and move on from what has happened in the past please.

If its in the past, then lets keep it that way, in the past.


**TOPIC CLOSED**